Guan Eng - Cina atau Melayu?

A respond to Red1

Red1,
Guan Eng - Cina atau Melayu?
(Jika Guan Eng kata dia Cina).

Sebelum jawab soalan itu ada apa-apa yg boleh kita rujuk dari perlembagaan malaysia tentang apa yg dikatakan orang Cina?

Jika tiada, maka kita minta Red1 cari di republik Cina -apakah takrifan orang Cina di sana? Apakah yg dikatakan orang Cina atau lebih tepat KECINAAN itu letaknya di mana?
Kesepetan mata? Orang melayu pun banyak yg sepet.
Cakap Cina dan Kulit putih kuning? Saya dah pernah tengok yg hitam legam cakap Mandarin.
Makan kuew teow dan kueh pau? Orang melayu pun dah pandai buat dan jual kueh teow dan kueh pau.

Tetapi orang Cina itu ada yg Teowchew, Hakka, Canton, Ma dan lain-lain? Mungkin lebih tepat dari melihat KECINAAN - kita lihat di mana letaknya KETEOWCHEWNAN atau KEHAKKANAN? Red1 bagaimana?

Guan Eng ini apa asal usulnya?
Makannya apa? Cakapnya apa? Agamanya apa? Raja datuk neneknya siapa semasa di Tanah besar Cina?

Samy Vellu pun apa asal usulnya? Telugu? Mamak? Malayalam? Makan pakai dan Raja datuk neneknya dahulu apa?

Apapun kalau dah lebih makan sambal belacan dan budu - maka sahlah mereka dah mula lebih melayu dari cina.

wassalam
rtk
from rethinking times
http://rtktime.blogspot.com/

melayu?

a respond to "Melayu Baru Belajar Bergaduh" by Red1
in http://padi-malaysia.blogspot.com

Assalamualaikum Red1,

Menarik cerita tuan tentang melayu.
Apapun jika kembali ke Perlembagaan Malaysia saya nampak bahawa melayu itu hanya bersandar secara amnya kepada 3 perkara:
1- boleh bercakap dalam bahasa
melayu
2- lazim dengan adat melayu (makan minum, pakaian,...)
3- beragama Islam.

Tidak ada langsung berkenaan darah keturunan atau warna kulit. Maknanya sesiapa sahaja yang ada ketiga-tiga perkara di atas adalah melayu menurut perlembagaan.

Kalau yang hanya boleh bercakap melayu - dia sudah 1/3 melayu. Jika ditambah dengan makan sambal, belacan dan budu dah jadi 2/3 melayu. Jika beragama Islam seperti tuan sahlah tuan melayu 3/3.

Mungkin melayu hanyalah takrifan/gambaran untuk mereka yang lazimnya sudah boleh digelar atau diterima sebagai-the people having the colour of the place. Yakni mereka yang sudah menurut 'warna' tempatan atau menurut warna gelas kata sesetengah orang atau sudah sebati dengan tempat duduknya di sini atau juga sudah menurut cuaca alam tempatan.

Berkait dengan Sultan Parameswara yg tuan sebut - Pandangan saya ialah baginda menjadi titik sambungan melayu baru yg muslim dengan melayu lama yg hindu dan lain2. Keislaman baginda berserta rakyat jelata yg juga sudi memeluk Islam menjadikan kontrak sultan dengan rakyat bersambungan dengan mudah dari dahulu kala hinggalah ke zaman ini. Maka salasilah kesultanan itu umurnya beribu tahun dan diperkuatkan lagi dengan Cahaya Ilahi melalui penerimaan Islam dan perkahwinan campur dengan muslimin yang beriman dari tanah arab.

Kesultanan sebelum Parameswara berlandaskan Sultan dan kesultanan sebagai payung/tunjang negara menurut kaedah orang daerah ini yang beragama (hindu/buddha)ketika itu dan sekarangpun Sultan bersambung juga menjadi payung/tunjang negara untuk orang yg beragama (islam).

Apapun kesultanan adalah tunjang kehidupan/tamaddun untuk orang yang beragama. (agama apa sekalipun).Kita di sini bertuah kerana Cahaya Ilahi melalui Nabi terakhir s.a.w. mudah sampai kepada Sultan Parameswara dan para Sultan lain di kawasan ini.


Orang yang datang ke daerah ini dari benua lain dahulu dan sekarang kadang-kadang ada yang lari dari raja atau sultan masing-masing. Tetapi apabila tiba ke sini maka hendaklah mereka terima sultan/raja di sini pula. Apabila mereka juga sudah boleh bercakap bahasa melayu, berbudi bahasa (dan makan sambal budu?)lagi muslim maka lengkaplah dia menjadi orang melayu (suka atau tak suka).

Akhir kalam kalau tuan mahu kurangkan kemelayuan tuan - jangan makan sambal belacan maka hilanglah 1/3 melayu.

wassalam

rtk
from rethinking times
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April 26, 2008 3:27 AM

WET DREAM YB JEFF OOI (YANG BLOGGING)

WET DREAM YB JEFF OOI (YANG BLOGGING)

(a comment sent to Jeff Ooi - Saturday 29-3-08)

JEFF OOI says: By the way, nothing has really changed. TALK IS still CHEAP if you just need to talk empty. There is a real world out there beyond blogs and Internet.

MP Jeff Ooi,
I guess blogging is for MPs and ADUNs in waiting and losers. These people have all the time in the world to blog and chat. Real MPs and real ADUNs are at work - real work and not hiding themselves in the virtual world. Frankly when we see you still blogging we see you as still doing nothing and wasting public trust in you to be Yang Berkhidmat and not Yang Blogging. You yourself said that "There is a real world out there beyond blogs and Internet". I think you are not able to go out beyond your virtual blogging world. Pity on you.

Yes TALK is CHEAP and hope that all your BLOGGING must not be equally CHEAP.

Heard before this that people said you can put a donkey or a monkey as a representative for BN and people will still vote. I hope it is not true that people said during PRU12 that you can also put a donkey or a monkey as a BR rep and people will still vote.

MP Jeff Ooi, isn't it that in such a voting system people put islam, malays, chinese, indians, ideas like socialism, democracy,justice etc in boxes and then they are asked to choose a box. Boxed people behave the same way either BN or BR.

Imagine now you can even have MPs and ADUNs who are not from the particular voting area - and you also have voters from outside the voting area voting for these MPs and ADUNs. Hence we have aliens as reps and aliens as voters.
If that is the case, why don't we get Bush, Hillary and Putin to be the reps or prime minister instead since leadership is no longer related to the people of the place anymore?

Cheers and happy wet dream blogging!
RTK from Rethinking Times
http://rtktime.blogspot.com/

TALK IS CHEAP - a respond to MP Jeff Ooi.

(comments sent to MP Jeff Ooi Saturday 22nd March 2008 in respond to the MP's comment)

Dear Jeff Ooi,
Thanks for your comments.


JEFF OOI says: "TALK IS CHEAP. I hope you reveal your identity, work hard as a blogger, and contest in GE2013, get elected and take charge of your belief. As for me, I will work within the legal framework -- though this Penang state government is just barely 2 weeks old while BN had been there for donkey years."

By the way, why is it that you need to stress/bold TALK IS CHEAP? Hope I'm not seeing that not only BN but BR can also talk cheap. It is cheap for those giving empty promises of course. I believe you are not on that mode.

I don't believe that to be doing service to the community, one must only be a blogger and get elected as a politician/MP. Do allow black ants to crawl on black stones in a dark black night.

It is an option for black ants to be seen doing work in daylight.But it is not an option for all BR MPs. They must be seen to be doing work and perform better than BN MPs for the next 5 or so years.

Cheers.
RTK
from Rethinking Times
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Anwar agen riba IMF

Datuk Husam,

Bolehkah Datuk jelaskan tentang agenda Dinar Emas yang telah ditanyakan oleh Dinar Emas kepada pihak Datuk? Bilakah agaknya Kedah, Pulau Pinang, Selangor dan Perak boleh mulakan kiosk Dinar Emas?

Saya difahamkan Anwar Ibrahim tidak menyukai/mempercayai Dinar Emas. Dinar Emas ialah wang menurut syariat seperti mana pihak Datuk perjuangkan. IMF pula suatu badan riba terbesar dunia yang anti Dinar Emas kerana tidak iktirafkan emas sebagai mata wang.

Bukankah riba itu diperangi oleh Allah dan RasulNya? Bagaimana pula PAS kelihatan bekerjasama dengan Anwar yang jelas menjadi agen badan riba tersebut seperti yang ditunjukkannya pada tahun 1997?

Semoga Allah selamatkan Datuk dan kita semua dari terperangkap dengan agen dan badan riba itu agar tidak diperangi oleh Allah dan RasulNya.

Rethinking Times
rtktime@gmail.com

Jeff Ooi Can??? or canned???

Jeff Ooi Can? or canned?

(a response to Jeff Ooi's 'Malaysians Boleh!'... so says Michael Backman)

We are at an interesting time. A time when a barrel of oil is going beyond USD100. A time when the US economy is in a lot of doubts. A time when Coca-Cola cash flow is much bigger than many countries not to mention states like Selangor or Penang. A time of a world economic crash seems highly likely. A time when the so called opposition parties are given the chance to show that they can. A time when malaysians thought this is just a malaysians boleh situation! A time given to the so called makkal sakti when everything is pointing towards global economic disaster so that the people claiming to have power - who says they can save the world -will in fact get canned! (they will get the blame when they can't). Jeff Ooi - we don't envy you. You get the chairs but we wonder whether you realise it or not that you are getting tied to the chair. We are seeing Guan Eng already getting canned and chaired at the same time.

Meanwhile we are wondering whether you know it or not that people are allowed to talk economics when politics rule - and now people can be political because all over the world economics rule - and you just become chairs - just like Bush who is just a puppet for the banking hegemony.

You can talk about huniliations to those who lost the in elections but I wonder whether you know it or not that the whole affairs about affliation to boxes is even more degrading intellectually. People put Islam, Chinese, Malay, Justice and whatnots in separate boxes and ask people to choose. People ask people from other constituencies to come and become an adun or an MP and people from other constituencies are voting in other constituencies regardless of their parties. Aliens rep, aliens voters in alien states? We are in an alien country?

We get nothing but boxed people thinking that they are in power!

All the best Jeff Ooi! Don't get canned!

RTK

From NST online:Raja Nazrin reminds new MB of royal institution's importance

NST Online » NewsBreak

2008/03/17

Raja Nazrin reminds new MB of royal institution's importance

By : Shahrul Hafeez

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KUALA KANGSAR, Mon:

The Regent of Perak Raja Nazrin Shah has reminded newly-appointed Menteri Besar Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin the need to understand the basis and role of the royal institution in the formation of the state government to foster good relationships between the palace and the tripartite state government.

By virtue of his appointment as Menteri Besar, he said Nizar has become a member of Perak's Dewan Negara and must be the effective bridge that links the people to the palace and vice versa.

"The harmony in the relationship between royalty and the government is one of the pre-requisite to ensure the stability of a government and the prosperity of a state," he said today after welcoming and congratulating Nizar, the Pasir Panjang assemblyman, during the opening of the state's Dewan Negara meeting at Istana Iskandariah, here.

"The royal institution is part of the history and system of government for this Malay heartland. It has remained relevant and had fulfilled an effective role throughout the years; during the colonial era, the Japanese occupation and through the pre and post independence period which finally chose the system of Constitutional Rulers and Parliamentary democracy," he said.

Raja Nazrin pointed out that in every phase of time, the institution had remained intact, being able to undergo the necessary changes in its role and approaches in functioning as the umbrella where the people could come under as a source of justice, for the granting of pardon and special privileges and the pillar of stability.
"The honour of the royal institution must be upheld together. All members of the Dewan Negara are part of the component of this royal institution. As such, the members should execute their role intelligently and with great manners so as to protect the good name of the Royal Institution from being smeared," he said.

Raja Nazrin Shah said members of the Dewan Negara were also the representative of the Sultan of Perak, especially to the various Orang Besar given responsibilities as the Orang Besar Jajahan, who are the eyes and the ears of the Ruler in their respective areas.

"The Ruler and the palace are the protectors of the culture and glory of the government of which its history in this country is the pillar of the Malay government. As such, the tradition and modesty of the palace should never be defiled," he said.

Raja Nazrin also conveyed the thanks from Sultan Azlan Shah and the Dewan to former Menteri Besar Datuk Seri Tajol Rosli Ghazali for his role and contribution as a member of the Dewan Negara and said that he is confident that Tajol Rosli would continue to play a constructive and productive role for the prosperity of the state.

TDM so successful....?

( a point shared in Marina Mahathir's Blog -RantingsbyMM

March 19, 2008 2:37 PM)

Dear MM,
I think TDM is really successful in making malaysians (malays and non malays alike) to feel strong, tall and independent of whatever in this world as for example in his buy british last policy and in malaysia doing without the imf etc.

Through him and no doubt genetically proven through you as well, we can see independence being translated beyond the 1957 shouts of 'merdeka'!.

He is so successful that now even UMNO itself, the very institution which he led for quite a while and has always been the tongkat for the malays is being rejected to prove that the malays do not need UMNO patronage. The rejection comes from UMNO people as well as by the children of UMNO people.

If malaysia can do without IMF they can also do without UMNO? Or could it be the UMNO children want to be free of the UMNO parents?The parents are reminding us of May 13 but the children are more interested in KFC and McDonald (and its mad cow disease burgers?)

In Mukhriz, we see that he is still trying to make the best out of a political party called UMNO.

In you, we see as one who can even do without all parties including UMNO.

cheers and best regards.
rtk

UMNO rejected by the children of UMNO

A point shared with Rockybru last weekend.

Anonymous said...

Dear Rocky,
It seems that we are at an interesting time.

1-UMNO is being rejected by the children of UMNO people.

Children rejecting parents- Anakku Sazali again and again.Gen gap.Protesting the parents?

2- The KFC, McDonald,Pizza Hut, StarBuck,Mamak restaurants etc generation has no no connection with the old guards. They eat, live and think differently. In fact this is for all malaysians regardless of race or parties.
For that matter even new DAP and new PAS are different from old DAP and old PAS. Seems that Guan Eng does not have the communist look like Kit Siang.But ask the young they don't know what a communist is anymore.Can't help it because even communist China and USSR have already collapsed.
The new religion is capitalism.

3-Dr M is so successful in teaching us how to be independent of the 'tongkat' and now the gen2 is throwing away the biggest tongkat which is UMNO itself.

4- But the overall picture/mode for malaysia and the world is still to put Islam, Melayu,China, India,Justice etc in boxes and the crowd are asked to pick the box that they like.Islam or melayu in a box? We get boxed people worshipping boxes?


5- It is interesting to see Guan Eng now having to stand and sing the Negaraku at all state and national functions.(much better than seeing him running around the streets making demo and playing catch me with the police)

...especially interesting is the part when he has to sing..

"....Raja Kita Selamat Bertahta"

This makes the difference! He has to sing which is actually making doa for Raja Kita Selamat Bertahta.
On this note even Kit Siang has to apologise to Raja Nazrin for making
anti Raja statement in Perak recently.

Thank you Raja Nazrin and in fact all Raja and Sultans for showing wisdom again in governance beyond boxes.


Daulat Tuanku!

RTK

8:20 AM